What do you have to say about Dave's book "Alcohol Can Be A Gas"?
It is a comprehensive tome that, once plowed through, is a very helpful bookshelf reference encyclopedia. And Dave's got such a great smile! :)
About Me:
I am currently living in New Orleans and will be returning to the vicinity of my home in upstate NY in the next several months. Once returned it is my goal to establish a viable, non-profit Community Supported Energy Cooperative in the Hudson Valley north of Albany. I have a great deal of knowledge on the subject of energy use, alternative energy systems and am well versed in the subject of peak oil. I am increasingly convinced that a venture like this one is vitally important in the coming years as we skid into increasingly difficult economic, climatic and energy-scare times. As a Project Manager by training, I am confident that I possess the tools necessary to organize the people and resources necessary to network this idea into a reality. Relocalization of our energy production, food growing and distribution and the re-invigoration of local economies with meaningful work that gives back to Nature and our fellow neighbors is Good Work that makes for a life well worth living.
Thanks for the welcome Pete. I have a friend at work (FOX TV, WWOR TV in NJ) who just retired and he had some 15 acres in upstate NY which he does not use. I have been sharing with him my dream about doing something to distill my own alcohol fuel. I always ask him if I could use his place in upstate NY (I cannot remember the town) and he is always very willing. He does not use the property and the house is no longer satisfactory to be dwelt in he says. There was once a big barn that was torn down and the wood taken by people who want such stuff. So that is one possible place for me to experiment . I cannot begin this until I retire, which could be any day now with the company firing people by the carload. I also go the the Philippines where I have property and would like to get something going there to help my family who are largely farmers.
Hi, Peter. I have blocked Liza Johnson. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. -- Laurie Masters
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Hi Peter. Laurie again. Randy hasn't been involved with AU for a long time, but I can go ahead and block "Donette Nicole/Margherita Jordan" ... However, I'd need to have a reason to do so. Has she posted any inappropriate messages? If so, please forward to info@permaculture.com.
Hi Laurie,
I only addressed it to Randy, because that who's indicated as the recipient. Some other bloke (who misspelled my name as "Petter") wrote me earlier and indicated he'd be looking into it as well. I'm sorry I can't immediately recall his name.
Frankly, there's no particular reason except that it "looks suspicious". Answering all the intro questions with the same answer/name - Margherita Jordan....
It's interesting, Laurie, that the forum, with people like yourself are so on top of things while the AU/ACBAG organization seems so inept or unwilliing to be responsive. I've never received timely returns from anyone (except you). I'm trying to start a community/regional alcohol fuel cooperative and would greatly appreciate some input/response from David or someone demonstably knowledgeable on questions I have regarding the business side of this venture. Posting to a forum is all about plowing through opinions and dis-jointed exchanges of people coming from every possible direction. I need some serious counsel/education and don't know where to turn many times.
I'd appreciate any input you can provide to direct me on this front. Who can I call to learn more? Perhaps more importantly, what the heck is David and others so pre-occupied with that responding to customer inquiries are regularly ignored?
Sincerely,
Peter Arena
At 5:09am on February 24, 2010, Larry Farmer said…
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the welcome. I attended Dave Blume's ACBAG workshop in Cortland, NY this past fall. Where you there? Or perhaps you got added to our group of Yahoo's from workshop. I seem to recall someone there was in New Orleans and moved back north in the group.
I am determined to build a still and make alcohol this year. My wife and I are rounding up a business team (lawyer, banker, accountant, insurance agent) and show be incorporated soon. I'm getting together sources for material to build with. I'll probably start with waste products as feedstock: donuts, candy and perhaps soda. My property (and surrounding properties) are pretty swampy so I'm thinking of working with cattails. There used to be lots growing around here but they seem to have faded. Should just be a matter of optimizing conditions for them.
As for the mood in the area, that's the big question. We have an interesting mix of rural and suburban types. There is a dirt track nearby and a bunch of motorheads in the area. I hope to tap into that community. I figure I can lure them with the high octane. I'm also getting involved with the local farming community and the farmers' market. I figure that groups should be receptive. In general, folks I've chatted with are interested but not at all sure I can "pull it off". So, we're going to take Nike's advice and just do it!
See you on the boards!
-Larry Farmer.
At 11:11am on February 24, 2010, Larry Farmer said…
Hi Peter,
Yeah, the Yahoo group was a bust. Too bad.
Let's stay in touch. I sent you a friend request. If you accept it, we can exchange info in a private forum. Probably best not to leave that info in a public comment. ;-)
Hi Peter, I'm glad you contacted me. Hardwick is in the N.E. Kingdom of Vermont. I'm reading Richard Freudenbergers book now and am about to build a still following the Charles 803 plans except using pvc pipe instead of copper. Haven't found a reasonably priced source of copper yet and am anxious to get something going. U. of Alabama had a still made with pvc following the same plans and it seemed to work for them. I'm interested in a fuel coop in our area but haven't gotten anything off the ground yet. I would be interested in hearing what you've done and and your ideas around that subject. I've added you as a friend, lets keep in touch. Thanks Frank
Hi Peter,
Well I guess alot of truckers are more aware of the need for fuel or reducing the costs of fuels.
We also spend alot of the day "rachet-jawing" on the CB and you'd be surprised about how well informed most drivers are.
Nice to meet ya... and looking forward to mant good discussions,
Pete
Thank you for your support. What would be a smarter idea in your opinion, two five hundred gallon all in one units? Or a distillery and a fermentation tank?
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From: "ALCOHOLICS UNANIMOUS"
To: "Laurie Masters"
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Peter Arena has reported an issue on ALCOHOLICS UNANIMOUS
URL Reported:http://acbagnetwork.ning.com/profile/LizaJohnson?xg_source=msg_member_join
Issue:Spam Additional Information:I think the new member Liza Johnson may be a phishing expedition... Not sure, though
Thanks,
Laurie
I only addressed it to Randy, because that who's indicated as the recipient. Some other bloke (who misspelled my name as "Petter") wrote me earlier and indicated he'd be looking into it as well. I'm sorry I can't immediately recall his name.
Frankly, there's no particular reason except that it "looks suspicious". Answering all the intro questions with the same answer/name - Margherita Jordan....
It's interesting, Laurie, that the forum, with people like yourself are so on top of things while the AU/ACBAG organization seems so inept or unwilliing to be responsive. I've never received timely returns from anyone (except you). I'm trying to start a community/regional alcohol fuel cooperative and would greatly appreciate some input/response from David or someone demonstably knowledgeable on questions I have regarding the business side of this venture. Posting to a forum is all about plowing through opinions and dis-jointed exchanges of people coming from every possible direction. I need some serious counsel/education and don't know where to turn many times.
I'd appreciate any input you can provide to direct me on this front. Who can I call to learn more? Perhaps more importantly, what the heck is David and others so pre-occupied with that responding to customer inquiries are regularly ignored?
Sincerely,
Peter Arena
Thanks for the welcome. I attended Dave Blume's ACBAG workshop in Cortland, NY this past fall. Where you there? Or perhaps you got added to our group of Yahoo's from workshop. I seem to recall someone there was in New Orleans and moved back north in the group.
I am determined to build a still and make alcohol this year. My wife and I are rounding up a business team (lawyer, banker, accountant, insurance agent) and show be incorporated soon. I'm getting together sources for material to build with. I'll probably start with waste products as feedstock: donuts, candy and perhaps soda. My property (and surrounding properties) are pretty swampy so I'm thinking of working with cattails. There used to be lots growing around here but they seem to have faded. Should just be a matter of optimizing conditions for them.
As for the mood in the area, that's the big question. We have an interesting mix of rural and suburban types. There is a dirt track nearby and a bunch of motorheads in the area. I hope to tap into that community. I figure I can lure them with the high octane. I'm also getting involved with the local farming community and the farmers' market. I figure that groups should be receptive. In general, folks I've chatted with are interested but not at all sure I can "pull it off". So, we're going to take Nike's advice and just do it!
See you on the boards!
-Larry Farmer.
Yeah, the Yahoo group was a bust. Too bad.
Let's stay in touch. I sent you a friend request. If you accept it, we can exchange info in a private forum. Probably best not to leave that info in a public comment. ;-)
-Larry.
Well I guess alot of truckers are more aware of the need for fuel or reducing the costs of fuels.
We also spend alot of the day "rachet-jawing" on the CB and you'd be surprised about how well informed most drivers are.
Nice to meet ya... and looking forward to mant good discussions,
Pete
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